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PostSubject: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem   200 NL 3 way pot river problem Empty03.04.09 3:09

Zanima me vase misljene o ovoj ruci, prilicno mi je bio sumnjiv flop flat call, pogotovo poznavajuci ovoga protivnika, Mislio sam betati turn ali taj chek na turnu mi je jednostavno izgledao kao monster u tom trenutku

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ImcaMarina53 ($358.59)
UTG 1 Peauxeasy1 ($226.47)
CO Hero ($232.53)
BTN UPUP115 ($199.00)
SB xtwoodsx ($225.57)
BB patdeklos ($195.25)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO 200 NL 3 way pot river problem 367222 200 NL 3 way pot river problem 63515
1 fold, Peauxeasy1 raises to $8, Hero calls $8, 1 fold, xtwoodsx calls $7, 1 fold

Flop: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem 16726 200 NL 3 way pot river problem 425536 200 NL 3 way pot river problem 321501 ($26, 3 players)
xtwoodsx checks, Peauxeasy1 bets $12.35, Hero raises to $30.70, xtwoodsx calls $30.70, Peauxeasy1 calls $18.35

Turn: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem 478122 ($118.10, 3 players)
xtwoodsx checks, Peauxeasy1 checks, Hero checks

River: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem 208773 ($118.10, 3 players)
xtwoodsx bets $70, Peauxeasy1 folds,Hero?
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PostSubject: Re: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem   200 NL 3 way pot river problem Empty03.04.09 12:44

preflop ok, flop bi betao 45, turn nakon 2 checka 1/2 pot size bet i na riveru cisto sumnjam da bi ovaj okinuo ikakav bet jer mi se ovo cini kao straight/flush draw tako da vjerujem da bi checknuo.
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PostSubject: Re: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem   200 NL 3 way pot river problem Empty03.04.09 13:46

mislim da bi na turnu trebao betati, ne slažem se s tobom da je flop call sumnjiv jer mislim da večina igrača ne želi samo platiti na ovako draw heavy boardu ako ima monster i da će te rijeko netko folatati ovdje s monsterom (set ili skala) Problem s checkom na turnu je da daješ previše free karata i da onda na riveru hvataš 4 outer za full da bi bio sigruan ili moraš ovako checkirati pa /baciti/platiti a nemaš puno informacija. Naravno da ćeš ponekad požaliti i dovest se u tešku situaciju na turnu kada ispališ second bullet ali je to cijena koju moraš platiti i manja je nego davanje free karata i neznanje gdje se nalaziš na riveru
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PostSubject: Re: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem   200 NL 3 way pot river problem Empty07.04.09 3:18

Slažem se da treba betati turn, iako ne znam kakvim ti se protivnik činio točno. Pod normalno bi ako je konzervativniji igrač mogao imati flushdraw ili QJ ili overpair tipa AA, KK s kojim ne zna kaj bi. Ajde da je na poziciji, al ako bez pozicije flata sa skalom, riskira davanje dvije "freekarte". S obzirom da imaš top dvopar teško da neko ima set, a ako i maju set ili skalu jbg. imaš peh.
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PostSubject: Re: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem   200 NL 3 way pot river problem Empty13.04.09 11:15

mislim da je turn cisti bet/get it in, jednostavno dajes drawovima previse free karata, mislim da je tu u rangeu tipu puno vise drawova nego made handova +imas i blockere za setove a i jako cesto ce tip tu 3betati s 99/1010/QQ. ako si naletio na KJ c'est la vie. jos jedna stvar, ako ne betas taj turn koji je objektivno savrsen turn za tebe i bolji nisi mogao dobit dovodis se u supertesku situaciju na riveru ako dodu karte tipa A, K, 9, J, 8 (ovdje ako dode heart situacija je prilicno simple). evo sad sam tek skuzio da je na turnu dosao i drugi flushdraw tako da to jos vise cementira moje misljenje da je turn cisti bet/get it in.
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PostSubject: Re: 200 NL 3 way pot river problem   200 NL 3 way pot river problem Empty13.04.09 16:43

Get in on turn as played fold river.
Turn mislim da ono što knez kaže nije diskutabilno. Nema ama baš nikakvog razloga to ne zgurat.
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