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PostSubject: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty06.08.09 12:35

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Board:
Dakinn (BB): $101.53
nugalimasis (UTG): $44.28
gibbsss (CO): $53.10
Dirk_Diger (Button): $82.38
haloonek (SB): $97.10

Dealt to Dirk_Diger Q:heart: Q:diamond:
NL50 all in on flop? 501779 NL50 all in on flop? 674367

Pre-flop:
nugalimasis calls $.50, gibbsss raises to $2, Dirk_Diger raises to $6, (3 folds), gibbsss raises to $14, Dirk_Diger calls $14

Flop: ($35.25) 4:club: T:diamond: 3:spade: (2 Players)
NL50 all in on flop? 253753 NL50 all in on flop? 310972 NL50 all in on flop? 884232
gibbsss bets $15, Dirk_Diger calls $15

Turn: ($65.25) K:spade: (2 Players)
NL50 all in on flop? 543369
gibbsss checks, Dirk_Diger bets $15.50, gibbsss all-in $24.10, Dirk_Diger calls $24.10

River: ($113.45) 9:diamond: (2 Players)
NL50 all in on flop? 565595

Mali uzorak imam na igrača tako da mislim da je bio TAG i pretpostavio sam da ima AA ili KK ili AK ili JJ. Ali na flopu sam odlučio samo call mislim da sam bar rereiz trebao da vidim gdje sam ili all in.
U ovakvim situacijama nisam nikad siguran dali da trpam ili sam trebao fold pre flop čak??
Neki savjetić za ubuduće?

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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty06.08.09 12:55

Ja bih tu napravio jos jedan reraise preflop, jer ti ga ionako pokrivas, a on je taj koji prvi betao...njemu ne bi preostalo nista u tom slucaju nego ili all-in ili fold.

p.s. Zar ti nije bio sumnjiv ovaj check na turnu?
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty06.08.09 13:57

Pošto se radi o situaciji od 100 BB-a i kada se već odlučio tako odigrati(platiti 4-bet preflop) a ne odigrati all in ili baciti onda si to vjerojatno radio da dobiješ value od karata tipa AK kada promaše flop tako da se ti na ovom flopu moraš "zastekati". Ukoliko samo plaćaš dobivaš određeni value ukoliko je protivnik sklopn suludim blefovima, ali u isto vrijeme postoji mogućnost da te protivnik natkupi ili da dođe A ili K pa si u problemima. Mislim da je u ovoj konkretnoj situaciji all in na flopu najbolje rješenje.
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty06.08.09 15:47

imho, preflop shove/fold
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty06.08.09 17:23

slažem se sa DisD-ovim objašnjenjem ali me zanima zašto si betao turn?
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty06.08.09 19:11

hmm. ponadao sam se JJ ali u biti to je samo nastavak krivo odigrane ruke.

Muče me 1 stvar kod ove situacije dali sa QQ ako nepoznaješ protivnika gura all in preflop? Koliko je to +EV?

Još jedno piitanje koje me mući a nema veze sa ovom rukom je;

Ako imaš A hig flush draw na flopu i ako je protivnik stavio all in a na boardu nema full house mogućnosti koliko je +EV callat za svoj cijeli stack?
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty06.08.09 19:44

naravno da je +ev zgurat qq preflop buduci da su od tebe bolja samo dva handa, pogotovo ako ne poznajes protivnika
iako, puno toga ovisi o situaciji (tesko da ces callat neciji 4/5bet allin na fullinrg stolu ako odnos velicine stackova i betova previse smrdi)

sto se tice calla na flopu sa nut flush drawom, ja u ogromnoj vecini slucajeva callam ako imam AQ+
isto tako, pitanje nije u dovoljnoj mjeri definirano jer je bitan i action prije flopa ako zelimo znati jel potez +ev ili -ev
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty18.08.09 22:23

Samo mali komentar.. ja smatram da je greska samo callati sa nut flush drawom na flopu (u skoro bilo kojoj situaciji HU) jer nam A daje u mnogim situacijama extra outove gdje smo u fantasticnoj situaciji na flopu ali na turnu vise nismo u tako dobroj ako promasimo.

Sto se ruke tice, butko i disd su sve rekli..
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty20.08.09 21:58

E sad ista situacija drukćiji tip igraća.
Koliko je isplativo prefloop gurat QQ all in na tipične TAG igrače koji ti na tvoj 3bet guraju all in ili ti na njihov 3 bet all in??

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Board:
edNorel (CO): $66.17
spliffe79 (Button): $43.91
Dirk_Diger (SB): $33.37
hastexhastex (BB): $26.12
hapycustomer (UTG): $76.22

fala unaprid.

Dealt to Dirk_Diger NL50 all in on flop? 674367 NL50 all in on flop? 367222

Pre-flop:
hapycustomer raises to $2, (2 folds), Dirk_Diger raises to $5.75, (1 folds), hapycustomer all-in $74.22, Dirk_Diger all-in $27.62

Prva situacija i sad druga na 2 stola u razmaku od 2 ruke

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Board:
przemollo (SB): $50.09
DaVitsche (BB): $54.04
edNorel (UTG): $76.19
Makakeken (UTG+1): $34.53
Crazywako (CO): $66.40
Dirk_Diger (Button): $48.66

Dealt to Dirk_Diger NL50 all in on flop? 367222 NL50 all in on flop? 321501

Pre-flop:
(3 folds), Dirk_Diger raises to $2, przemollo raises to $8, (1 folds), Dirk_Diger all-in $46.66, przemollo calls $48.66
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty21.08.09 0:13

h1) call ai (+ukljuci auto top up)
h2) call (auto top up ftw!)
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty21.08.09 18:54

što se mene tice, borba button- blindovi (nl50 govorim) cu gurnuti qq i priželjkivati call, a borba utg-utg +1 i slicno cu foldati ili gurnuti i biti najsretiniji sa foldom
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty22.08.09 13:40

Mislim da do oko 1-1.5 punog steka moraš biti spreman bilo gurnuti bilo platiti all in bez puno razmišljanja bez obzira na poziciju s QQ. Kad si deep od oko 1.5-2( ovisi o limitu, stolu, poker sobi...)puna steka na više već treba biti oprezniji i tu puno ovisi o igraču, o poziciji, dinamici partije idr.
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PostSubject: Re: NL50 all in on flop?   NL50 all in on flop? Empty22.08.09 20:24

fala na savjetima baš te neke jednostavne situacije me jako zanimaju jer na microlimitima ima svakakvih pavijana pa na neke situacije treba bez razmišljanja automatski odigrati potez.

Dali sa QQ pogledati flop pa utrpati ili prefloop. ILi trpanje na FD na flopu dali samo zvati na turn i river ili na flopu zgurati sve jer če se tako najviše zaraditi.
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