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PostSubject: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty23.01.10 16:07

eo sinula mi ideja jedna, nek admin il mod obrise ak ne valja, nije bed..

jedan zgodan thread gdje mozemo/te postat hand koji mislite da ste odlicno/dobro odigrali, u biti, gdje ste procjenili range/hand itd protivnika i slicno.

eo ja cu poceti s jednim standardnim handom, nista fensi


Party Poker $200 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 492869
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $352.85
BTN/SB: $305.45

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 4 *Official* NH sir thread 825912 4 *Official* NH sir thread 948558
BTN/SB raises to $4, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($8.00) 9 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 K *Official* NH sir thread 948558 4 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $3.80, Hero raises to $15, BTN/SB calls $11.20

Turn: ($38.00) 2 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 (2 players)
Hero bets $31, BTN/SB calls $31

River: ($100.00) 9 *Official* NH sir thread 825912 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $22, Hero raises to $92, BTN/SB calls $70

Final Pot: $284.00
Hero shows 4 *Official* NH sir thread 825912 4 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 (a full house, Fours full of Nines)
BTN/SB mucks 8 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 K *Official* NH sir thread 901737 (two pairs, Kings and Nines)
Hero wins $283.00
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nh indeed..
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty23.01.10 18:29

ty

no love za thread? Very Happy


Party Poker $200 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 493031
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: $685.40
Hero (BTN/SB): $259.90

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 3 *Official* NH sir thread 825912 Q *Official* NH sir thread 948558
Hero raises to $6, BB calls $4

Flop: ($12.00) 6 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 Q *Official* NH sir thread 901737 8 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($64.00) 8 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 (2 players)
BB bets $40, Hero calls $40

River: ($144.00) 2 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (2 players)
BB bets $95, Hero calls $95

Final Pot: $334.00
BB shows T *Official* NH sir thread 901737 9 *Official* NH sir thread 825912 (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows 3 *Official* NH sir thread 825912 Q *Official* NH sir thread 948558 (two pairs, Queens and Eights)
Hero wins $333.00
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty23.01.10 18:36

Nije al si nametnuo sick standarde odma u startu Smile

Tek stigao u kucu, prokopam po hemu nadem nesto da konkuriram, al moji su svi omg donk callovi/overbetovi, koji su samo meni tad imali smisla Smile

P.S. posebni bodovi za prvi "i put him on AK" post :9
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty23.01.10 19:00

SB ($344)
Hero (BB) ($505.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3*Official* NH sir thread Spade, 3*Official* NH sir thread Diamond
SB bets $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) 3*Official* NH sir thread Heart, 9*Official* NH sir thread Club, K*Official* NH sir thread Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $8, Hero raises to $26, SB calls $18

Turn: ($64) 9*Official* NH sir thread Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $48, SB calls $48

River: ($160) Q*Official* NH sir thread Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $258, SB calls $258

Total pot: $676 | Rake: $0.50

Results:

SB had K*Official* NH sir thread Diamond, 6*Official* NH sir thread Spade (two pair, Kings and nines).
Hero had 3*Official* NH sir thread Spade, 3*Official* NH sir thread Diamond (full house, threes over nines).

Outcome: Hero won $675.50

moze proc?

prva ruka je genijalan line btw
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty23.01.10 19:28

Da moze :9

Imam ja donk pitanje ako mi netko moze objasniti u prvoj postanoj ruci:

River: ($100.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $22, Hero raises to $92, BTN/SB calls $70

Jel ovaj 1/5 beta glup ili se meni samo cini?
Beta neki thin value, pa onda radi heroic call?
Ne kuzim....ocajno odigrano il standard(koji i dalje ne kuzim)?
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty23.01.10 19:36

bit ce da stvarno ne znam sta se desavalo u njegovoj glavi, mozda mu moj line nije imao smisla, ko ce ga znat

lik je inace winner neki na 6max igrama, ovo mu je valjd izlet na hu
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SB ($496.65)
Hero (BB) ($397.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J*Official* NH sir thread Spade, 10*Official* NH sir thread Spade
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $22, SB calls $16

Flop: ($44) 9*Official* NH sir thread Club, 5*Official* NH sir thread Spade, Q*Official* NH sir thread Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $30, Hero calls $30

Turn: ($104) K*Official* NH sir thread Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $74, Hero calls $74

River: ($252) A*Official* NH sir thread Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $210, Hero raises to $271.50 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $672 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero didn't show J*Official* NH sir thread Spade, 10*Official* NH sir thread Spade (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $671.50
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty25.01.10 12:48

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5119152F Razz
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty25.01.10 13:03

chiro, chiro
lutas ti pa sad malo na 7 stud hi/lo

prvo: iz ovoga se ne vidi koliko je tko betal.
drugo: pogodil si lucky seven street za hi pa se to bas i nije nekaj za pohvaliti.
trece:face karte su sparene (pocket 6) tak da cak i igra ovog koji ocito igra isto samo low ima nekog smisla. pretpostavka je da vjerujemo da prvi puca na hi bez obzira na zadnju kartu.

ocito je da se u pokerhandu tesko mogu prikazati stud ruke pa probaj pronaci neki drugi nacin ako ih vec zelis postati.

i, aj molim te, postaj tu ruku tam gdje pripada...ono iznad gdje pise omaha, razz, stud i sl.

p.s. probaj zamisliti 6. street Th i 7. street Kh. pa onda vidi da li bi bilo nh sir.
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Cassava Poker $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 495953
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $594.00
Hero (BB): $600.00
UTG: $541.75
MP: $1007.30
CO: $1208.80
BTN: $784.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with T *Official* NH sir thread 948558 K *Official* NH sir thread 948558
1 fold, MP raises to $21, 3 folds, Hero calls $15

Flop: ($45.00) Q *Official* NH sir thread 825912 5 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 9 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $36, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($117.00) 2 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($117.00) 4 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $66, Hero raises to $212, MP folds
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty25.01.10 14:43

@sluga

Pokušao sam konvertirati hand i u weaktightu,ali tamo je još gore,uopće ne prepoznaje format.

Uglavnom,znam da sam pogodio dvije savršene karte na 6. i 7. streetu,s tim da sam i prije toga bio siguran da imam najbolji low draw,s obzirom da sam u proteklim handovima zapazio da frajer koji je ganjao low ima naviku ganjati prilično diskutabilne handove.Za high mi je bilo 50:50 jesam li dobar na kraju,ali nisam htio propustiti priliku da uzmem kompletni pot Very Happy

Ne znam,postao sam hand ovdje kao nekakav brag,ali nije problem otvoriti temu i gore za komentare,pa da se još malo družimo. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty25.01.10 14:46

sve 5. mislim da bolje tam odgovara, ali meni ne smeta ni ovdje :-)
inace tu samo pogledam ruke i ne komentiram ih posto im komentar nije potreban.
ova je bila za prokomentirat:-)
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PostSubject: Re: *Official* NH sir thread   *Official* NH sir thread Empty25.01.10 18:53

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG benny061982 ($12.45)
UTG+1 MdZauberer ($32)
CO playyr ($33.70)
BTN snezhok777 ($7.32)
SB MickGM ($27)
BB Hero ($29.59)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB *Official* NH sir thread 787389 *Official* NH sir thread 600893
4 folds, MickGM raises to $1, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: *Official* NH sir thread 473287 *Official* NH sir thread 427525 *Official* NH sir thread 587248 ($2, 2 players)
MickGM bets $0.95, Hero raises to $2.87, MickGM raises to $4.79, Hero calls $1.92

Turn: *Official* NH sir thread 273445 ($11.58, 2 players)
MickGM bets $5.50, Hero goes all-in $23.80, MickGM folds

Final Pot: $40.88

Hero wins $39.76 (net +$10.17)

MickGM lost $11.29
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Cassava Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 496274
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $196.00
SB: $360.85
BB: $200.00
UTG: $203.00
Hero (MP): $697.13
CO: $433.37

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP with K *Official* NH sir thread 825912 A *Official* NH sir thread 47691
UTG raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($24.00) A *Official* NH sir thread 948558 4 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 7 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (3 players)
UTG bets $16, Hero calls $16, BTN folds

Turn: ($56.00) 4 *Official* NH sir thread 825912 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $40, UTG raises to $104, Hero raises to $674.13, UTG calls $76 all in

River: ($416.00) 2 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $416.00
UTG shows Q *Official* NH sir thread 901737 A *Official* NH sir thread 901737
Hero shows K *Official* NH sir thread 825912 A *Official* NH sir thread 47691
Hero wins $412.00
(Rake: $4.00)
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Cassava Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 496281
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP: $180.00
CO: $419.10
BTN: $197.00
SB: $197.75
Hero (BB): $851.13
UTG: $436.37

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with 8 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 8 *Official* NH sir thread 948558
2 folds, CO calls $2, BTN raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, CO calls $7

Flop: ($28.00) 8 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 T *Official* NH sir thread 47691 Q *Official* NH sir thread 825912 (3 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24, BTN folds

Turn: ($76.00) 6 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (2 players)
Hero bets $40, CO calls $40

River: ($156.00) 5 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $152, Hero raises to $778.13, CO calls $194.10 all in

Final Pot: $848.20
CO shows Q *Official* NH sir thread 901737 9 *Official* NH sir thread 47691
Hero shows 8 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 8 *Official* NH sir thread 948558
Hero wins $412.17
(Rake: $436.03)
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neki fini rake u zadnjem handu Smile
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lol
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loool Very Happy
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Može ovo proči?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 3.3 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t3195)
Hero (BB) (t3420)
UTG (t2325)
UTG+1 (t3290)
MP1 (t1883)
MP2 (t6310)
MP3 (t5817)
CO (t5895)
Button (t2875)

Hero's M: 38.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6*Official* NH sir thread Spade, 6*Official* NH sir thread Diamond
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t60, 2 folds, MP3 calls t60, 1 fold, Button bets t330, 1 fold, Hero calls t270, 2 folds

Flop: (t810) 4*Official* NH sir thread Spade, Q*Official* NH sir thread Club, 7*Official* NH sir thread Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t420, Hero calls t420

Turn: (t1650) 2*Official* NH sir thread Heart (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t2125 (All-In), Hero calls t2125

River: (t5900) 9*Official* NH sir thread Diamond (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t5900

Results:
Button had 5*Official* NH sir thread Diamond, A*Official* NH sir thread Spade (high card, Ace).
Hero had 6*Official* NH sir thread Spade, 6*Official* NH sir thread Diamond (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won t5900
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ili ovo:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 3.3 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t3255)
Hero (UTG+1) (t2890)
MP1 (t3440)
MP2 (t2783)
CO (t5500)
Button (t5817)
SB (t6045)
BB (t2955)

Hero's M: 38.53

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 2*Official* NH sir thread Club, 2*Official* NH sir thread Heart
1 fold, Hero calls t50, MP1 calls t50, MP2 bets t150, 2 folds, SB calls t125, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, MP1 calls t100

Flop: (t650) 3*Official* NH sir thread Heart, 3*Official* NH sir thread Diamond, Q*Official* NH sir thread Spade (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets t300, 1 fold, Hero calls t300, 1 fold

Turn: (t1250) 7*Official* NH sir thread Club (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t450, Hero calls t450

River: (t2150) 4*Official* NH sir thread Club (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Total pot: t2150

Results:
Hero had 2*Official* NH sir thread Club, 2*Official* NH sir thread Heart (two pair, threes and twos).
MP2 had J*Official* NH sir thread Diamond, A*Official* NH sir thread Heart (one pair, threes).
Outcome: Hero won t2150
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($349)
Hero (BB) ($275.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9*Official* NH sir thread Heart, J*Official* NH sir thread Club
SB bets $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) 3*Official* NH sir thread Club, 9*Official* NH sir thread Club, K*Official* NH sir thread Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $9, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($30) 5*Official* NH sir thread Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $24, Hero calls $24

River: ($78) Q*Official* NH sir thread Spade (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $67, Hero raises to $236.50 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $212 | Rake: $0.50
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($239.50)
Hero (BB) ($259.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K*Official* NH sir thread Club, 9*Official* NH sir thread Heart
SB bets $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) 3*Official* NH sir thread Heart, 4*Official* NH sir thread Heart, 7*Official* NH sir thread Diamond (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $8, Hero raises to $26, SB calls $18

Turn: ($64) 6*Official* NH sir thread Spade (2 players)
Hero bets $46, SB calls $46

River: ($156) 8*Official* NH sir thread Heart (2 players)
Hero bets $181.50 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $156 | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero had K*Official* NH sir thread Club, 9*Official* NH sir thread Heart (high card, King).
Outcome: Hero won $155.50
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RedRaw wrote:
Cassava Poker $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 495953
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $594.00
Hero (BB): $600.00
UTG: $541.75
MP: $1007.30
CO: $1208.80
BTN: $784.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with T *Official* NH sir thread 948558 K *Official* NH sir thread 948558
1 fold, MP raises to $21, 3 folds, Hero calls $15

Flop: ($45.00) Q *Official* NH sir thread 825912 5 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 9 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $36, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($117.00) 2 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($117.00) 4 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $66, Hero raises to $212, MP folds

Jesi ovdje "znao" da nema showdown value (tj da ima eventualno A high) pa si išao raise ili si znao da ga možeš maknut s nekog para?
Tj. moguće je oboje, al me zanima tvoj read ako se još uvijek sijećaš.
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DirtyCash90s wrote:
RedRaw wrote:
Cassava Poker $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 495953
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $594.00
Hero (BB): $600.00
UTG: $541.75
MP: $1007.30
CO: $1208.80
BTN: $784.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with T *Official* NH sir thread 948558 K *Official* NH sir thread 948558
1 fold, MP raises to $21, 3 folds, Hero calls $15

Flop: ($45.00) Q *Official* NH sir thread 825912 5 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 9 *Official* NH sir thread 948558 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $36, Hero calls $36

Turn: ($117.00) 2 *Official* NH sir thread 47691 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($117.00) 4 *Official* NH sir thread 901737 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $66, Hero raises to $212, MP folds

Jesi ovdje "znao" da nema showdown value (tj da ima eventualno A high) pa si išao raise ili si znao da ga možeš maknut s nekog para?
Tj. moguće je oboje, al me zanima tvoj read ako se još uvijek sijećaš.

I jedno i drugo je naravno moguce i u ovoj situaciji je cilj bio obv. fold, ali i priprema za ovakav line kada cu imati hand da me se light provijeri s obzirom da ovakve stvari ljudima ostaju u sjecanju, pogotovo ako imaju neki par tj. showdown value. Ne bi bilo neocekivano da se ovdje pojavim sa AQ ili sa nekim setom u buducnosti kao i sa KK recimo. Naravno, ovo nije po defaultu.

To onako opcenito, ali njegov line je slab i ne moze podnijeti bas CR na riveru s obzirom da je checkirao turn. Jest da se pojave sa AQ i KQ koje nece betati na turnu pa onda kao VB river (zamijecujem puno ovaj line i mislim da je kataaaastrofalan) ali protiv takvih onda CR za value krasno funkcionira.

Dakle, da ne duljim i ne muljam, ovo je bluff sa namjerom otkrivanja tenedencija protivnika te kreiranjem imagea za kasnije lakse CR rivere recimo neovisno od toga da li ima showdown value ili ne jerbo, ako ima 33 bolje da ga raiseam da to folda nego da checkiram ili callam pa da sam los Very Happy.

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