pokerica.net poker forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.
pokerica.net poker forum

strategija - analiza - coaching - rakeback - bonusi - cash game - turniri - dnevnici - online - live
 
Pokerica.netPokerica.net  HomeHome  Latest imagesLatest images  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Log in
Username:
Password:
Log in automatically: 
:: I forgot my password
like
Similar topics
Keywords
hrvoje bora zadar tajter headache snegi kuzmanovic dace andrew
Latest topics
» Pozdrav
dnevnik by maki Empty06.03.15 21:26 by theMailman96

» Balkan Texas Poker
dnevnik by maki Empty26.02.15 23:55 by shteva

» Flush Royale
dnevnik by maki Empty27.01.15 15:51 by Grizzly

» Gdje je nestao poker?
dnevnik by maki Empty27.01.15 15:47 by Grizzly

» Tonci-dnevnik jednog...
dnevnik by maki Empty17.01.15 9:26 by bicko

» Pozzz..
dnevnik by maki Empty17.01.15 9:23 by bicko

» PLO20:AAds oop mnogo nedoumica
dnevnik by maki Empty11.12.14 22:37 by bicko

» Timski turnir
dnevnik by maki Empty11.12.14 22:33 by bicko

» KK on Ace high board
dnevnik by maki Empty18.11.14 0:36 by walentkane69

Most Viewed Topics
KK on Ace high board
donkeyyyy stories xD
plivajmo s web ribama - dnevnik RedRawa
*Official* NH sir thread
"sluzbena" LOL tema
Cro Poker Masters IV za Varšavu
Isildur1
Novcani online transferi (site, mb, neteller itd.)
zomg!1 - rigged!
Casino Cezar
Top posters
RedRaw
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
eSco
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
DisD
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
dfable
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
Bora Tajter
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
DonkeyRi
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
Tonci
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
Cookie
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
sluga
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 
Chiro23
dnevnik by maki Vote_lcapdnevnik by maki Voting_bardnevnik by maki Vote_rcap 

 

 dnevnik by maki

Go down 
5 posters
AuthorMessage
freddom4all
Jedan par
Jedan par



Number of posts : 12
Location : vz
Poker Site : everest
Karma : 0

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 1:29

Pozdrav svima.

Zovem se Matko, iz Varaždina sam, već neko vrijeme pratim forum i došlo je vrijeme da se aktivnije uključim...

Poker sam počeo igati na zingi, pa neki mali kućni turniri i freerollovi na dosta sajtova, čisto da isprobam software i da pronađem koji mi najviše odgovara, usput sam gradio BR i par puta ga srušio (tako sam se na svojim greškama upoznao sa BRM i varijancom, nije da nisam mogao pročitati o tome). Na početku sam igrao SNG-ove 6max i nedavno sam prešao na cash (za sad NL10 6max, 4-6 stolova).

Eto toliko za pocetak...

Pošto vas mislim gnjaviti pitanjima o handovima i leakovima u svojoj igri možda bi bilo najbolje da vam pokušam dati uvid u način na koji igram:

https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img63/2517/reportvw.jpg

Prvo pitanje: kako da popravim W$woSD?

I jedan hand:

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
HoldemManager
6 Players

Stacks:
Hero ($19.41)
UTG+1 ($8.03)
CO ($15.01)
BTN ($4.00)
SB ($7.23)
BB ($9.85)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG
dnevnik by maki 457555 dnevnik by maki 621421
Hero raises to $0.35, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls, BB folds

Flop: ($1.15, 3players)
dnevnik by maki 686446 dnevnik by maki 979715 dnevnik by maki 623579
SB bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15, UTG+1 raises to $7.68 (all in)
SB folds, $6.53 to Hero ($17.91)?

Hero stats: 28/20/37/5.2
UTG+1 stats: 56/15/33/4.2
SB stats: 68/18/26/6.3

SB vjerojatno ima neki par ne nuzno 6... da ima 77-1010 platio bi ovaj all in isto bi napravio i da ima set, 2 para, 34... draw do sada nije odigrao agresivno tako da je vjerojatnost za to jako mala...

Šta može imati UTG+1?
66, 22, 55, 56, 34, 77-1010, zrak, ništa od navedenog? jj-aa bi vjerojatno pf 3beto... kolko često on ovdje ima xK flush draw?

da li je trebalo foldati kad je SB napravio pot size bet ako ne mislim platiti njegov all in na turnu?

Kad sam ušao u igru sa A3s, nadao sam se takvom nekakvom flopu što dalje?
Back to top Go down
RedRaw
Team Pokerica
RedRaw


Number of posts : 1884
Location : Zagreb
Poker Site : PokerStars / FTP
Karma : 84

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 3:32

u nekom nepisanom pravilu, kada imas nuts flush draw ili neku drugu jaku ruku na flopu, zelis raiseati i biti agresor, pogotovo ako ta jaka ruka nije "jos" jaka nego tek ima potencijal to postati.. burp
Back to top Go down
http://www.pokerica.net
freddom4all
Jedan par
Jedan par



Number of posts : 12
Location : vz
Poker Site : everest
Karma : 0

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 9:42

U konkretnoj situaciji to bi bio shove preko SB?

Koliko bi ovdje bio isplativ call da je SB otisao all in?
Back to top Go down
DisD
Team Pokerica
DisD


Number of posts : 1456
Location : Zagreb
Poker Site : Unibet, GoalWin, Party Poker, Expekt
Karma : 74

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 9:43

Rejz nakon lead beta na flopu jer ces se onda naci u puno lakšoj situaciji pošto si na taj način agresivan s rukom koja ima odličan equity. UTG+1 koji je zgurao all in na flopu ima dosta širok range i rebetina je koja igra 56/15 tako da moze imati svaštal. No kako volim provjeriti ja bi platio jer osim setova i skale ima dosta karata koje te ovdje mogu zgurati a slabije su od tebe!
Back to top Go down
http://Guraj Bager d.o.o
DisD
Team Pokerica
DisD


Number of posts : 1456
Location : Zagreb
Poker Site : Unibet, GoalWin, Party Poker, Expekt
Karma : 74

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 9:46

freddom4all wrote:
U konkretnoj situaciji to bi bio shove preko SB?

Koliko bi ovdje bio isplativ call da je SB otisao all in?

Nije potreban shove jer je dovoljno da 3 betaš i postigao si ono što si htio a ujedno daješ priliku da netko ude u ruku s jos slabijom kartom te štitiš svoje karte za onaj put kada ces to radiri sa zrakom (jeftinije je).

Da je i SB platio onda je to INSTANT call, a ovako je nešto bliže al po meni svejedno call!


Last edited by DisD on 22.05.10 12:54; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
http://Guraj Bager d.o.o
freddom4all
Jedan par
Jedan par



Number of posts : 12
Location : vz
Poker Site : everest
Karma : 0

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 10:52

Hvala na odgovorima.

Moja ideja je bila da ako samo platim da će možda i UTG+1 platiti, a ako idem izolirati SB da će UTG+1 vjerojatno foldati, a htio sam obadvojcu na turnu...

Krivo sam to odigrao i drugi put neću tako...
Back to top Go down
RedRaw
Team Pokerica
RedRaw


Number of posts : 1884
Location : Zagreb
Poker Site : PokerStars / FTP
Karma : 84

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 11:57

freddom4all wrote:
Hvala na odgovorima.

Moja ideja je bila da ako samo platim da će možda i UTG+1 platiti, a ako idem izolirati SB da će UTG+1 vjerojatno foldati, a htio sam obadvojcu na turnu...

Krivo sam to odigrao i drugi put neću tako...
Nije to krivo, i tvoje rezoniranje donekle stoji, ali moguce je ipak da je dugorocno profitabilnije to odigrati malo agresivnije.
Back to top Go down
http://www.pokerica.net
freddom4all
Jedan par
Jedan par



Number of posts : 12
Location : vz
Poker Site : everest
Karma : 0

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 12:15

Malo kasnije protiv istog lika:

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
HoldemManager
5 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($4)
CO ($15.27)
Hero ($32.61)
SB ($9.59)
BB ($3.54)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is BTN
dnevnik by maki 367222 dnevnik by maki 501779

UTG calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB raises to $0.80,
UTG folds, Hero calls

Flop: ($1.80, 2 players)

dnevnik by maki 674367 dnevnik by maki 427525 dnevnik by maki 610930

SB bets $0.10, Hero raises $0.75, SB raises to $1.40 , Hero calls

Turn ($4.60, 2 players):

dnevnik by maki 413884

SB bets $4.60, $4.60 to Hero ($30.41) Hero???

Hero stats: 28/20/37/5.3
BB stats: 56/15/33/4.2
Back to top Go down
DisD
Team Pokerica
DisD


Number of posts : 1456
Location : Zagreb
Poker Site : Unibet, GoalWin, Party Poker, Expekt
Karma : 74

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 12:58

Kao prvo 3 bet preflop. Ako se vec ne odlučiš za to ona veci rejz nakon njegovog leada na flopu( rejzo si do 0.75 u potu koji je 1.80 i na boardu koji je jako opasan).

Ako vec nisi jako rejzo onda bi ja 4 betao flop, a ako ni to nisam napravio onda bi jako rejzo turn. Njegovi leadovi najčešće nisu boja već karta s kojom želi jeftino kupiti turn ili river i koju mu onda treba naplatiti, a ako ima boju svejedno imaš šansu pokupiti boat.
Back to top Go down
http://Guraj Bager d.o.o
knez
Dva para
Dva para



Number of posts : 127
Location : Zagreb
Poker Site : fast and loose
Karma : 25

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 13:19

shove turn.
Back to top Go down
freddom4all
Jedan par
Jedan par



Number of posts : 12
Location : vz
Poker Site : everest
Karma : 0

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty22.05.10 18:01

Protiv nekog drugog igrača bi sigurno 4bet pf, ovaj me do tada nikad nije 3beto, tako da sam mu dao kredita, a i htio sam vidjeti flop. U slučaju da ima AA, KK, QQ, JJ vjerojatno bi bio all in i onda ne znam što ću sa QQ.

Da, na flopu je definitivno trebao biti veći rejz (da li ovdje može biti profitabilan overbet?). Ovako nisam dobio nikakve informacije, pogotovo nakon njegovog mini 3beta. Nije mi bilo jasno što radi i htio sam vidjeti što će napraviti na turnu pošto imam poziciju, zato nije bilo 4beta (greška druga/treća).

Kolko ja često ovdje želim da on nastavi loviti boju ako je već nema?
Recimo da sam 4beto flop za još npr 3.2-3.8 (kolko bi 4bet uopce trebao biti u 3betanom potu?) i da je na turnu izašla ta 4 za boju kad mi se isplati loviti full (u ovom slučaju njemu ne bi ostalo baš previše pa pretpostavljam da je to instant call, ali što da i on ima 3-4bi)?

Nakon njegovog pot bet turna, zgurao sam all in...

Platio je i pokazao:

dnevnik by maki 625674 dnevnik by maki 453356

river:

dnevnik by maki 457555

Ovaj put sam imao sreće, sada znam za ubuduće...
Back to top Go down
freddom4all
Jedan par
Jedan par



Number of posts : 12
Location : vz
Poker Site : everest
Karma : 0

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty23.05.10 20:39

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
HoldemManager
5 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($4.21)
UTG+1($9.70)
CO ($2.30)
SB (14.33)
Hero ($16.50)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is BB

dnevnik by maki 674367 dnevnik by maki 321501

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises $0.35, CO folds, SB folds, BB raises to $1.10, UTG+1 calls

Flop ($2.25, 2 players)

dnevnik by maki 621111 dnevnik by maki 625674 dnevnik by maki 366940

BB bets $1.45, UTG+1 calls

Turn ($5.15, 2 players)

dnevnik by maki 825647

Hero???

UTG+1 stats: 23/19/46/4.0
Back to top Go down
Irac
Full house
Full house



Number of posts : 715
Location : Pokerica
Poker Site : Talijanske
Karma : 23

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty23.05.10 21:12

nemoj nikad betat KK ili QQ na na flopvima tipa K62, A28 i sl. Tu si ili way ahead ili way behind kako se popularno kaže. Check call najbolja opcija...
Back to top Go down
freddom4all
Jedan par
Jedan par



Number of posts : 12
Location : vz
Poker Site : everest
Karma : 0

dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty28.05.10 14:29

Odigrao sam prvi session na NL25...

Koliko mi se čini protivnici malo više poštuju nečiji bet i ne ulaze baš sa
svakakvim smećem i brže se prilagođavaju igri, pa je malo teže krasti blindove. Možda je to bio samo takav stol...

Prvi veći dobitak:

$0.15/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
HoldemManager
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($29.75)
UTG+1 ($40.30)
CO ($24.85)
BTN ($13.30)
Hero ($29.70)
BB ($17.40)

Pre-Flop: ($0.40, 6 players) Hero is SB
dnevnik by maki 405916 dnevnik by maki 172565

UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $0.90, BTN folds, SB calls, BB folds

Flop: ($2.05, 2players)
dnevnik by maki 13832 dnevnik by maki 208773 dnevnik by maki 473287

Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn ($5.05, 2players)
dnevnik by maki 320264

Hero check, CO checks

River ($5.05, 2players)
dnevnik by maki 22738

Hero bets $3.00, CO raises to $9.00, Hero raises to $27.45 (All-in), CO calls $22.45 (All-in)

Showdown:
SB shows
dnevnik by maki 405916 dnevnik by maki 172565

CO shows
dnevnik by maki 60285 dnevnik by maki 674367

Total Pot: $49.95

--------------------------------------

Kolko je ovo dobro raditi?

$0.15/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
HoldemManager
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($31.70)
UTG+1 ($33.00)
CO ($24.30)
BTN ($12.90)
Hero ($51.85)
BB ($23.10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.40, 6 players) Hero is SB

dnevnik by maki 543369 dnevnik by maki 489610

UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, SB raises to $6.75, BB folds

Ovdje je protivnik već počeo braniti BB. Da li je u takvoj situaciji bolje samo platiti sa AK i vidjeti flop, pa ako nas pogodi probati BB uzeti sve ili mu pokazati da ne brani BB sa bilo čime?

----------------------------------------------

Prva veća greška:

$0.15/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
HoldemManager
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($12.50)
UTG+1 ($32.25)
CO ($24.60)
Hero ($52.50)
SB ($23.15)
BB ($4.75)

Pre-Flop: ($0.40, 6 players) Hero is SB

dnevnik by maki 625674 dnevnik by maki 13832

UTG raises to $0.90, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, BTN raises to $3.10, UTG raises to $12.50 (All-in), BTN calls

Flop ($25.40):

dnevnik by maki 825647 dnevnik by maki 413786 dnevnik by maki 884232

Turn ($25.40)

dnevnik by maki 404458

River ($25.40)

dnevnik by maki 587248

Showdown:
BTN shows
dnevnik by maki 625674 dnevnik by maki 13832

UTG shows
dnevnik by maki 457555 dnevnik by maki 60285

Njegovi statsi: 40/15/0

tako da mu nisam vjerovao, a trebao sam...
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content





dnevnik by maki Empty
PostSubject: Re: dnevnik by maki   dnevnik by maki Empty

Back to top Go down
 
dnevnik by maki
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Dnevnik Ribe
» Dnevnik by Leminus
» dnevnik: djuma

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
pokerica.net poker forum :: Ostale teme :: Dnevnici članova-
Jump to: