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PostSubject: NL10 Turn i River blef OK?   NL10 Turn i River blef OK? Empty26.06.12 15:16

Villain je Tight pasiv riba. Statsi 23/12 na 70ak ruku. Blind steal 60%
Callao sam njegov PFR jer ima visoke steal statse pa sam htio igrati ruku IP s njim posto imam jako dobru kartu. Mislim da bi na 3bet se bacio ili 4betao s jacom rukom gdje ja onda moram bacit dobar hand.
Zanima me jer ovaj play OK? Da li je moje rezoniranje OK?!

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
OnGame
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Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($18.82) 188bb
CO ($9.40) 94bb
BTN ($5.35) 54bb
SB ($10.15) 102bb
Bond1806 (BB) ($10.31) 103bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Bond1806 is BB NL10 Turn i River blef OK? 489610 NL10 Turn i River blef OK? 6154
3 folds, SB raises to $0.20, Bond1806 calls $0.10

Flop: NL10 Turn i River blef OK? 900176 NL10 Turn i River blef OK? 405916 NL10 Turn i River blef OK? 625674 ($0.40, 2 players)
SB bets $0.20, Bond1806 calls $0.20

Turn: NL10 Turn i River blef OK? 172565 ($0.80, 2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Bond1806 raises to $0.90, SB calls $0.60

River: NL10 Turn i River blef OK? 367222 ($2.60, 2 players)
SB checks, Bond1806 bets $2

Na ovakvo flopu on cbeta pola pota sto je znak kod riba i polu riba da il ide na draw il je fulao flop pa sad jeftino pokusava uzet pot.
Na turnu njegov bet od malo više od 1/3 pota je po meni dobar znak da on tu ganja flush draw. Ja sam odlučio ovu 7 pretvoriti sebi u korist i prezentati set. Da li je to OK? Ima li to smisla? Naravno nadao sam se da ce on to foldat jer mu je bet bio mali i moj reraise bi ga trebao otjerati.
No, on calla i na blank turnu chekira. Kako pot nije velik iako imam nekakav showdown value odlučujem se za nastavak priče s turna. Bet sizing mi je kao i kod standardnog value beta tako da on to tako može i protumačiti.
Jel ovo generalno OK ili loše? Pretvarati ruku koje ima neki showdown value u blef!
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Turn i River blef OK?   NL10 Turn i River blef OK? Empty26.06.12 16:52

Mislim da 2 stvari nisu bas najbolje u tom spotu:

1. AJ pf je prejaka ruka za samo pl rejz na bb, ti želiš staviti unutra što više bez obzira platio te on ili ne, ne kažem da to nikad ne trebaš samo platiti ali generalno je rejz bolji..

2. Flop je call ok, iako ni rejz nije loš, ali recimo da je protiv pas igrača koji ne 2 barrela call bolji. Problem je što pasivan igrač nastavlja s agresijom na rel. blank turnu a ti pretvaraš ruku sa SV u bluff što nije dobro, repaš samo monster a on k tome pokazuje snagu kroz više streetova.Posebno na riveru bet nema smisla jel ti K neće baciti a protiv FD nećeš dobiti bet..Generalno, predstavljaš preuzak range kad rejzaš, imaš SV tako da bluff nije najbolja opcija..
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Turn i River blef OK?   NL10 Turn i River blef OK? Empty26.06.12 18:04

Da mogao sam 3betati AJ ali sam se odlucio igrati pot s njim. Jer cesto napada blindove pa ga nisam htio potjerati.
Sve ovo kaj kazes si u pravu i jasno mi je da sam ruku sa SV pretvorio u blef.
No njegov bet na turnu po meni nije pokazivanje snage. Betao je oko 1/3 pota. Da je imao K mislim da bi betao barem 1/2 ako ne i više. A i na flopu je betao samo 1/2 pota. Ovakvi igrači betaju jače kad imaju hand.
Rejzao sam turn bet zbog toga jer mi je njegov bet bio preslab i htio sam oteti pot i završiti ruku.
Na riveru nisam odmah betao već sam se dvoumio između beta i checka a odlučio sam se za bet da nastavim tu svou priču oko repanja 7.
Mislim da baš zato što repam uzak range da sam imao kredibiliteta betati river. Da li je to krivo razmišljanje?
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Turn i River blef OK?   NL10 Turn i River blef OK? Empty26.06.12 20:31

Ugl bi 3b pf jer je villan min raisao.. ostatak ruke mi je ok osim rivera.

Mislim da je bet na riveru greska jer su u villanovom rangeu made handovi (koje ne folda) i drawovi od kojih smo ugl jaci na showdownu.
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