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PostSubject: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 9:11

Villain je manje vise OK igrac sa statsima 26/22 na 50ak ruku

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
OnGame
6 Players

Stacks:
Bond1806 (UTG) ($11.73)
UTG+1 ($9.38)
CO ($11.14)
BTN ($10.70)
SB ($6.90)
BB ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Bond1806 is UTG NL10 Flop reraise? 543369 NL10 Flop reraise? 321501
Bond1806 raises to $0.30, 4 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: NL10 Flop reraise? 367222 NL10 Flop reraise? 587248 NL10 Flop reraise? 625674 ($0.65, 2 players)
BB bets $0.5, Bond1806 calls $0.5

Turn: NL10 Flop reraise? 63515 ($1.65, 2 players)
BB bets $1.25, Bond1806 calls $1.25

River: NL10 Flop reraise? 478122 ($4.15, 2 players)
BB bets $3.75, Bond1806 ????


Kad sam analizirao ruku skužio sam da sam trebao rerejzati flop?! Board je draw heavy i mislim da sam tu trebao rerejzati njegov donk bet. Čak sam i ziher da sam trebao. No nisam siguran pa ak mi neko može objesnit kaj sam trebao napravit toj situaciji.
I zanima me vaše mišljenje o river odluci.
Na riveru sumnjam da bi on betao misani flush draw.
AK također mislim da nema jer bi ga 3betao PF. Setove nema isto tako.
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 9:21

Da raise na flopu je ugl bolji, mozes dobit value od dosta handova (osim kad donka Qx, 99 i sl al od toga i tako nes izvuc previse ni kasnije).

Ovako odigrano river je call, mislim da bi sad raise bio pre thin.. a fold nije opcija. Villan na riveru value beta puno slabijih handova od naseg (i AK mu je u rangeu, sumnjam da 3b uvijek AK vs UTG opena).
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 9:32

Definitivno si trebao rejzati njegovo štopanje, jel je njegovih 0.5 u pot od 0.65, zapravo kao ček, a ne želiš čekirati flop s 2 para koji je tako draw heavy.Želiš sagraditi pot i uzeti mu stack a to ćeš najlakše napraviti ako na flopu staviš što više unutra.
Odigrano ovako, na riveru bih ga zgurao jel te ne pobjeđuje u principu ništa osim AJ ili 22 koje često ne bi tako odigrao. Dakle, push all in na riveru nadajući se callu od slabija 2 para ili ko zna čega, ponekad ćeš naletiti na AJ, ali puno češće će ti platiti s npr. Q10, k10, kJ...
A mogao bi te provjeriti i zbog misanog FD ako ima TP, pa mu tvoj line zasmrdi..
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 9:43

slažem se da je raise thin, ali to je ipak nl10 gdje su ljudi skloniji greškama i rjeđe igraju leveling game, pa bih se tu rukovodio čisto matematičkim odnosom između broja handova koje beatam a mogle bi me platiti, i ruku koje mene beataju. Zbog toga bih se odlučio za push..Iako na jačim limitima s dobrim igračima, bilo bi upitno ,usprkos činjenici da smo debelo ispred njihovog rangea, koliko bih nas lošijih ruku isplatilo, pa bih možda i call bio bolja opcija..
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 9:50

Da jasno mi je da sam trebao rerejzati flop. Greska.
Ugl callao sam river i naletio na AJ.
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 10:40

sve je već napisano, jedino mislim da bi trebao sa rane 4xbb r PF
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 10:45

Uvijek 3bb rejzam. S prve i zadnje. I sa SB kad kradem.
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 11:14

3bb je premalo za 6 max sa rane, pogotov na manjim limitima. Previše ćeš dobivati kolera sa čime baš nebuš sretan Smile
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 13:06

Ma, dobro je 3xbb. Niš nisam primjetio da me više callaju neg s 4xbb.
Dapace, cim netko rejza s UTGa svi se oce fino bacit. A osim toga kad rejzam s monsterima pa i želim da se igramo Smile

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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 13:49

Bond1974 wrote:
Ma, dobro je 3xbb. Niš nisam primjetio da me više callaju neg s 4xbb.

ako isto callaju bolje raisat x4 ili vise.. jer kad imas bolji hand zelis sto vise $$ u pot pogotovo OOP. Sa druge strane kad krades na BTNu mozes raisat manje x2.5 ili x2, ili jos bolje kad imas hand na BTNu raisas x3 ili x4 a kad krades raisas x2 Wink ako se blindovi adjustaju onda standardiziras raise na uvijek istu vrijednost, ali ako vidis da prolazi steta ne koristit takve stvari
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PostSubject: Re: NL10 Flop reraise?   NL10 Flop reraise? Empty28.06.12 14:15

Jasno mi je to ali bas iz ovog razloga to imam standardizirano jer ne zelim da oni kuze moj naum. Istina mogu se adjustat na njih ali ovaj model me dobro sluzi pa ga ne zelim mijenjat.
Regovi ce brzo skuzit moj bet sajzing dok ce ribe platit rejz beto ja 2bb ili 4bb. Njima isto.
Istina da s 4bb utg s monsterima uvlacim vise love u pot ali regovi cak i na ovim limitima ce to odmah skuzit i stavit mi note tak da s 3bb sam nepredvidiv i ne moram brinut jel me on kuzi il ne.
Mozda tu zbog toga zrtvujem malo valuea al nije to strasno. Kad odvagnem za i protiv mislim da mi je ovak bOlje.
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