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PostSubject: Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu   Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu Empty11.03.09 14:16

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem HU
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN ($306.60)
Hero (BB) ($586.25)

Pre-flop: ($3, 2 players) Hero is BB Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu 457555 Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu 321501
BTN raises to $6, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $24

Flop: Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu 600893 Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu 623579 Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu 6154 ($60, 2 players)
Hero bets $42, BTN calls $42

Turn: Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu 273445 ($144, 2 players)
Hero bets $82, BTN goes all-in $234.60, $152.60 to Hero ($432.25)?


Što generalno mislite o situaciji? U obzir treba uzeti protivnikovu sklonost suludim potezima i precjenjivanju karata ali i neugodan ri all in koji do tada uglavnom nije radio
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PostSubject: Re: Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu   Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu Empty11.03.09 23:37

Ja bi reko da na turnu sad moras pozvati i da je situacija u 3betanom potu dosta standardna iako protiv normalnog protivnika ne bi bio pre sretan sto moram stisnuti call mislim da imas dovoljno equitya da je taj call u potpunosti opravdan, cak i za 150BB.
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PostSubject: Re: Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu   Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu Empty12.03.09 8:18

Mislim da mu je sve ovo u range, pa čak i dao je callao s jakim parom budući da ima poziciju. U svakom slučaju:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.309% 30.97% 03.34% 1417 153.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 65.691% 62.35% 03.34% 2853 153.00 { 66+, AJs+, KJs, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, AJo+, KJo, QJo }


Plaćaš 1 za 3 to je taman. Budući da je tip pokazao ludosti mislim da je mandatory call.
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PostSubject: Re: Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu   Problem s nuts drawom i overkartom na turnu Empty17.03.09 11:47

I ja sam stisnuo call u toj situaciji. Mislim da je call bio graničan i da ni fold ne bi bio loša opcija. Činjenica je da plaćem 152 za 432 što govori da trebam imati oko 26-27% winning prob. da taj call bude isplativ. Da li ih imam, vrlo je upitno. Njegov range je širok, točno, ali ja bih tu bluff gotovo pa izostavio. Ostaje široki raspon od 1 para do trisa.,tj. od toga da mi igra 7 outera do toga da mi igra 15 outera. Budući da meni treba oko 13 outera da mi call bude isplativ, što je prosjek do kojeg ipak nisam došao uzevši u obzir vjerojatnosti pojedinih ruku u njegovom rangu, mislim da je ovdje ipak fold bio za malo(matematički) bolja opcija. Kad se uzme u obzir kompenzacija koju sam mogao dobiti da mi je došla dobitna kombinacija (tilt protivnika, krivi image o meni, sklonost budućem callu idr.što je posebno u HU izrazito bitno- posebno kod ovog protivnika- o čemu ću inače uskoro pisati u članku Manipuliranje protivnika) onda to djelomično opravdava call, ipak ni fold ne bi bio loš potez.
P.S. tip je imao K-7, tako da je call bio u konkretnoj situaciji dobar(što naravno ništa bitno ne mijenja na prethodnom objašnjenju) iako mi je blank na riveru otpuhao snove
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