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PostSubject: NL100 vs river lead   NL100 vs river lead Empty14.03.10 12:15

Protivnik je standardni tag, na sampleu od nekih 70 handova, primjetio sam samo da previse calla iz blindova.

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($101.50)
CO ($78.56)
BTN ($98.90)
SB ($96)
BB ($80.41)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is UTG NL100 vs river lead 60285 NL100 vs river lead 457555
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: NL100 vs river lead 320264 NL100 vs river lead 686446 NL100 vs river lead 22738 ($9, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7

Turn: NL100 vs river lead 621421 ($23, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16

River: NL100 vs river lead 478122 ($55, 2 players)
SB bets $26, $26 to Hero ($74.5)?


njegov range bi trebao beatati 25% da bi call bio breakeven.
ne vidam cesto ovakav line, ovako gledano mi izgleda kao cisti value lead, no tek sam na poceo sa NL100 pa nisam siguran
zanima me ima li u njegovom rangeu bluffova i kako igrati protiv ovakvog protivnikovog linea ?
zanima me bottom rangea s kojim bi ovo bilo profitabilno callati
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PostSubject: Re: NL100 vs river lead   NL100 vs river lead Empty14.03.10 12:31

70ak handova nije velik sample ali "standardni tag" moze bit 16/13/3 isto kao i 24/20/3.5; s obzirom da je 5 handed ipak igra neku ulogu...
kakvi su mu statsi sa blindsa? koji je river AF?
river karta nije ugodna ali tesko da je ovo njegov value lead nakon sto je c/c dva streeta. zasto bi betao za value? zasto bi te stavio na blef ili na neki weak hand? ima li razloga?
dodatni statsi/notesi bi stvarno pomogli.

ako je nitty tag onda sigurno nema 3x ovdje.
A3s, KsTs+, 78, spadesi... moguca i neka gay 6ica naravno i ti nikako ne stojis dobro protiv tog rangea.
call i take a note.
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PostSubject: Re: NL100 vs river lead   NL100 vs river lead Empty14.03.10 12:55

Slažem se s escom da je 70 ruku premalo za neke ozbiljne zaključke, pogotovo ako uzmemo u obzir da nije bilo nekih većih i bitnih ruku.

Po bet sizeu na riveru mi ovo više smrdi na neki retardirano odigrani overpar nego skala/back door boja. Mogu je da ima gay šesticu koju je pasivno odigrao i sada se boju velikog beta na riveru. Feeling mi kaže raise all in, dok je možda za nepoznatog igrača i bez statsa ovo call
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PostSubject: Re: NL100 vs river lead   NL100 vs river lead Empty14.03.10 14:51

Jako zanimljiv hand.

Mali samplesize=call.

Ja shove ovdje ne bi ni pod razno bez boljeg reada jer....

Zrak nema ono nikad,a i ako ima jednak value ces dobit i shovom i callom.

Znaci kako su svi drawovi stigli na cilj, ukljucujuci i neke lame 6ice i npr. AJs koji je backdorao , il ima nutse il overpar. Samo je pitanje kolko ce te cesto overpar tu zvati, al opet izgleda kao neki dumb protection bet od TT+.

Doh, toilko o shoveu, a njegov range bitas daleko vise od 25% puta tako da call ne moze bit EV-.


p.s. jako interesantan hand, steta sto nema vise misljenja kao. npr u topicu o faking majicama.....
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PostSubject: Re: NL100 vs river lead   NL100 vs river lead Empty14.03.10 15:22

vise je nitty tag 17/14 , i 5 handed je stol (boss media).
callao sam, ali imao sam na umu da necu mnogo puta biti dobar u ovoj situaciji (a ni ne trebam biti).
nisam imao mnogo vremena za donit odluku (turbo stolovi -.-).

stavio sam ga na made handove, overparove i mozda koju kombinaciju random bluffa (ima likova koji cim vide scary card betaju), vjerojatno neki overpair koji ne zeli da checkam back a zeli nesto malo valuea dobit.

iskreno, nisam ni razmisljao o shove-u, valjda jer sam tek poceo sa shotom na limit pa nisam htio neki high variance play odigrat (mozda da je bio drugaciji tip protivnika u pitanju).
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PostSubject: Re: NL100 vs river lead   NL100 vs river lead Empty14.03.10 16:52

mislim da je shove tu uzasan, jel to shove za value? bluff? ne kuzim...
mislim da je call prilicno standard, vecina rangea su mu tu bas to: "retardirano odigrani overparovi". Ako zguramo necemo value dobit nikad ikad od toga. i takoder ono sto je esco napisao, prilicno je bitno noteat tu situaciju da mozes kasnije u tom spotu shoveat preko takvog linea i sa zrakom.
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