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PostSubject: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty03.11.09 1:38

I rarely ever limp behind but I thought this might be an OK spot to do it since I'm less likely to get heads up if I iso-raised. I raised his turn bet because the overcard is a scare card and it looked like he was blocking with a 9 or a weaker draw. When I spiked the river I'm not sure if I should value shove... thoughts?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Ochevan ($39.51)
UTG+1 alfa0mega ($36.12)
CO Hero ($100)
BTN SChniBlOR ($150)
SB kien123 ($127)
BB EsKay83 ($54.43)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is CO K 100NL: Limped pot 47691 6 100NL: Limped pot 47691
Ochevan calls $1, alfa0mega calls $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, kien123 calls $0.50, EsKay83 checks

Flop: 9 100NL: Limped pot 47691 3 100NL: Limped pot 901737 3 100NL: Limped pot 47691 ($5, 5 players)
kien123 checks, EsKay83 bets $4.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.75, kien123 folds

Turn: J 100NL: Limped pot 948558 ($14.50, 2 players)
EsKay83 bets $6.89, Hero raises to $19.78, EsKay83 calls $12.89

River: K 100NL: Limped pot 825912 ($54.06, 2 players)
EsKay83 checks, Hero ???
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty03.11.09 3:37

Again...reads?

I valuetown for sure!
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty03.11.09 11:07

Not value betting this river would be a mistake. He just cant put you on king and he is most likely holding some kind of middle pocket pair that will call from time to time. His line is not particulary stong but he will call you enaugh that it will be profitable despite that there will be some sick situations when he will have some bizzare played boat or stronger hand than yours.
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty04.11.09 1:33

Let's change our hand to to 100NL: Limped pot 367222 100NL: Limped pot 22738

Can I bluff shove this river? He has about $30 left.
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty04.11.09 5:14

PF is bad and turn is bad given stacks.

I think he has 3x a ton on the river given he's bb and checked back and donked into a ton of people. Also he'll probably have a hard time calling 8x and he can't have Jx so there's very little value.

I probably don't bluff either, I think he just has 3x and absolute ton.
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty04.11.09 23:22

Ok well in reality as the hand was played I actually thought I had Q6cc and shoved the river.

I got called by A9o and was super confused when the pot got shipped to me...
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty05.11.09 0:45

wow
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty05.11.09 0:51

nice missclicked value bet Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty05.11.09 10:54

I am just curious, why do you think his turn size means he's weak rather than trying to prevent you from folding 9x?

If I were villain I would probably bet $8 with 3x and $6.50 or so if I had a boat (since I'm bb I can have 39/3J) so I don't really see why his betsizing screams weak. I bet $8 to try to get 9x to call and $6.50 when I want a FD to continue as well.
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PostSubject: Re: 100NL: Limped pot   100NL: Limped pot Empty05.11.09 11:35

DoctorHandles wrote:
I am just curious, why do you think his turn size means he's weak rather than trying to prevent you from folding 9x?

If I were villain I would probably bet $8 with 3x and $6.50 or so if I had a boat (since I'm bb I can have 39/3J) so I don't really see why his betsizing screams weak. I bet $8 to try to get 9x to call and $6.50 when I want a FD to continue as well.

He is in a blind so he could easly have 3 and 9 and flush draw, my expirience is that when people are hitting miracles in blinds they are trying to build a pot and make it larger. He was betting 1/2 od the pot and i am pretty sure most of the players would bet more with 3 ( i think they would bet 8-11). By weak i ment he probably has weak 9 ( with kicker smaller than j) so if he had hand like that he could fold it on turn. When we hit king on river i am pretty sure we havo to value bet here, he will call as with lots of weaker hands and he wont give us credit for king. Sometimes he will call us and show 3 but more times he will have 9/J or smoe random weaker hand
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